The doggy door forcible entry technique may not be many people’s first choice, but it’s a technique that could prove useful in certain situations. We originally posted the doggy door forcible entry technique back in November 2006. Here are links to the original post and supplemental page.
As you can see in the video, the cut took about one minute fifteen seconds. The nice thing about this technique is that it only took one person, and the person is still “fresh.†We have no doubt that a well trained team of two firefighters could make quick work out of many doors, but there may be that time when the situation calls for the doggy door. The key to performing a successful doggy door is cutting well into the jab on either side of the cut. This is obviously done to ensure that the door is cut all the way through at the beginning and end of the cut. Notice that a knee was used to stabilize the saw, this can be a useful method, but it has some potential safety issues. The other nice thing about using the knee is that it places the cut at the perfect height.
*This particular door, and the locks presented, would not normally call for a doggy door cut. This video was made simply to demonstrate the technique.
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Seems like an aweful lot of work. The wall is sheetrock, it is much easier to use a tool (halligan on the floor in the video) and punch a hole in the wall next to the knob, reach in and unlock. Cheaper for homeowner/business to repair the wall, than to replace the steel door.
It was loud, destructive, and it worked. Nice Job!
Just muscle up and use the IRONS sitting right next to you. Faster, quieter and safer.
better yet the hinge pins are on the exterior of the door. drive out the pins or use a slice tool to completely remove those jokers
You will see the note on the post:
“*This particular door, and the locks presented, would not normally call for a doggy door cut. This video was made simply to demonstrate the technique.”
So comments about alternatives for this particular door would not be prudent.
Its a great idea. Thanks for the video.
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IS that the DOT building?
Hey brother Nice gloves? Nice eye protection. good technique but you dont want to be on firefighterclosecalls.com because o lets say the gas cap comes loose while using the saw, o that one is already there. WEAR PPE.
What if there are flammables gases on the other side of the door?
I think you guys are missing the point. Here’s just another alternative to get you thinking. And as far as safety, it looks like that’s a Partner K12FD saw, which has the gas cap on the left side. Holding it the way he is keeps the fill hole upright.
You will see the note on the post:
“*This particular door, and the locks presented, would not normally call for a doggy door cut. This video was made simply to demonstrate the technique.â€
So comments about alternatives for this particular door would not be prudent.
Its a great idea. Thanks for the video.
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Why show a technique on the wrong door? That makes no sense. Train like it would be real. Use the irons and people should stop trying to reinvent the wheel in the fire service. Power tools and technology can not replace proven techniques and brute force..
probably because they have this door to destroy so they did it for a good cause!
This is a pretty good idea. Something I hadnt thought of. Could definately be useful for gaining entry thru those commercial doors that use a drop bar for security.
For those of you who missed the original note about the type of door, look at the original post theyy linked to at the beginning of the article. This works very well if you have some sort of burglar bar in place. Just look at the bolts in place in the dooor which are probably holding the bar and go 6-8 inches below that, cut as shown in the video. Keep up the good work with the site guys. I have learned a bunch of good tips from here and put them to good use.
Nice video. This is a method that is just another option to gain entry. Whatever it takes.
Many times, especially at the rear of commercial occupancies, you can run into some tough opposition courtesy of the building owner. We have a building in our area where the owner placed three drop bars-top, middle and bottom of the door. This is in addition to a couple of dead bolts. So your not just “popping the door” now matter proficient you are with the irons.
Stay safe.
Its real funny how everyone is the expert. It is and example. You might not use this on THAT door but THAT was used to show how to do it and who it works.
This is an interesting example…however, not in a positive context. First, the fact that the door is not opened completely is troublesome. I would be hesitant to send a company through that opening because it may be difficult to relocate in order to evacuate quickly. Second, the way that the saw is held in this video is atrocious. The easiest way to stabilize the saw in this position would be to hold your arm in a right angle under the body of the saw (still holding on to the handle) and stabilize the saw in the crook of your arm. The balancing of the saw on a knee leaves too much room for error in the event that it slips or the operator loses balance. Lastly, the fact that someone would make a video demonstration of a technique and flagrantly disregard proper use of PPE is also troubling. I must say that this is an extremely important time to wear your PPE because you are setting an example for others to learn. Also, remember that it is important to train correctly and safely so that the operation will be performed correctly on the fireground. Overall I had a lot of trouble with this technique, however, it is another example that can be put in our repertoires in the event of an odd or unusual situation.
THANK YOU EVAN SWARTZ. I AGREE COMPLETELY. DO WE REALLY HAVE TO NIT-PICK EVERY LITTLE THING ON EVERY VIDEO? I ADMIT THAT I WENT PRETTY BAT SHIT ON THE SACRAMENTO ROOF VIDEO, BUT THIS WAS MADE AS A TRAINING DEMO! I DO AGREE THAT PPE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE, BUT LET ME MEET ON PERSON WHO ALWAYS WEARS ALL THEIR PPE ALL THE TIME. EVEN BILLY G!(NO OFFENSE TO HIM AT ALL)PICKING APART EVERYBODY’S VIDEOS IS A GOOD WAY TO BREAK DOWN THE NETWORK AND GET PEOPLE TO STOP POSTING THINGS. THAT’S WHEN THE LEARNING STOPS AND THAT’S WHEN PEOPLE START GETTING HURT!
I can’t believe some of you people. Are you that bad at forced entry, you have to nit pick this video just so you feel smart? Good thing, we have some people do contribute tips, if we had to rely on the morons commenting on this video vententersearch.com would have shut down long ago.
Maybe some people have depts that can afford to buy the supplies so that you can practice a technique on the exact kind of door you’d use it on, but here in the real world that luxury doesn’t exist. They had a door they could cut, so they did it. Better to practice on the wrong door, then hold out for the right one and never practice.
Some of you people just sicken me with your nit picking.
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it is my understanding that after the cut is made, and members gain entry, the locking mechanism is manipulated from the inside and the door is opened.
be safe brothers
Thank you for sharing the technique brother.
Ditto what Sick of the experts said. I can’t believe I missed the saw in the crook of the arm. Maybe I should retire.
Stay safe.
I don’t know about all of you brainiacs out there but something I learned long ago was to not reject or ridicule something that hes been done for you out of kindness. These guys do this for all of us, in an attempt to better our profession. As stated above, it may not always be the “right way” for the textbook junkies, or your way for you people who are better fireman than the rest of us. But when someone gives me something I can use, for free, I learn from it. That’s what all of us should be doing. Read the post and understand it before you ridicule someone for helping you.
What I see here is a clear case of dinosaurs VS Pepsi generation. I for one am a dinosaur that has evolved to my environment. I must say there are far too many dinosaurs on this site that will be extinct soon; you guys need to get a grip. Train as you do, do as you train. Why would we support some of the shit you do on this site. Some of you are so called “professional†members of the fire service, you sure could fool me. What the hell do you do on shift just sit back and cost not investing in your carrier? How can you say “it’s ok brother†like some of you dumb asses do??? This is yet again another case of, it is not being done rite in training so will it be done rite on the fire ground. But that is ok because he is a “brother†so we should blow smoke up his ass rite???
Jimm, thanks for the video. I can read and see that this door was SET UP for you to use as an example. Did no one notice the symbol for this web page was painted on the door on top. Its easy to see that this door was given for the making of this video.
If someone out there has a door that actually needs a doggy door that you can cut up, by all means… go cut it and video it and I am sure the guys on this webpage would post it. (BE WARNED – you will be subjected to the panel of arm chair experts and judged on your actions)
Thanks for submitting this video. It will be used by my crew to see how to do so when and if they are ever faced with a door that they will NEED to use this on.
Stay safe.
brickcity1306, since you seem to be sticking to your guns about “practice like its real” what would you have them do? Go out and buy locking mechanisms to make this door a good canidate for a doggy door and WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY. Or just cut the metal door and practice a technique that they probably don’t get to practice often due to its extremely destructive nature.
Can you answer another question for me. How the heck do you practice vertical ventilation? Do you set the attic of the training house on fire then vent directly over this fire? I mean, you just can’t go to a vacant and cut holes as you would on a burning house if there is no fire underneath to vent. That wouldn’t be training as we do.
Lack of proper ppe is my only real problem , the type of door has. Nothing to do with it,I may be wrong but I just feel if you are going to put your self out there it should be right. Here in NJ and I thought in most of the country it is illegal to burn in a “training house”. We have training centers with several different types of vertical and horizontal simulators as well as toys for the hose drageres so I guess my answer is yes that is what we do.we train as we do in full ppe in a safe and controlled manner and with realistic simulation.
Furthermore your screen name as well as your statements Mr. “Sick of the experts “shows your ignorance. keep walking with the dinosaurs, just please don’t bring down those of us that strive for better education and pray for the day no one gets hurt in training. I am not trying to bust balls,(well maybe a little) I am just trying to point out training flaws in hopes that someone may learn from it. Isn’t that what this site is all about?? I suggest this link as proof http://firefighterclosecalls.com/cc_training.php
Brick City, let me start by saying I dont think your negativity is necessary on this fire department training site. Jimmy and the boys work very hard to get this information out here for the rest of us to learn from, and I find it rather immature of you to get on here and bust balls for stupid things. If you have better ways of doing things, then share them. But if you are unhappy with the learnig tools placed on here, we dont care. We are here to learn, not hear to listen to your complaints about the site.
Further more, I believe these dinosaurs you speak of are not the people we should put down and beat up. They are the men that should be placed on a pedestal and given respect for all they have done. Rather then saying that these dinosaurs are the people that will be “extinct soon” maybe you should take the time to learn from the men that have been on this job for many years. The men that truly do whatever it takes, and dont let IFSTA, NFPA, or Safety Chiefs, get in the way. Maybe you should do a little less bashing and a little more listening to those dinosaurs. I bet if you had listened, you would have never placed half of your responses on here. You are the reason that I am afraid for the future of the fire service. You are the type of guy that wants to make this job so safe that you loose site of the job at hand.
My problem is that instead of taking an opportunity to learn something from this web site, you take the opportunity to start arguments with other people on this site and bash those that are bringing this priceless information to the entire fire service. Who cares if a training video doesnt meet the standards set forth by the “BELOVED” NFPA. We all know the steps necessary to protect ourselves. Who cares if the NFPA standards are not met on every job we go to work on. WE HAVE A JOB TO DO! While you are out in the front yard worrying about your NFPA codes and your two out, the occupants of the structure won’t be getting any help. So I guess it will be the dinosaurs that make the grab. The last I checked we work for them, not the NFPA. Get over yourself!. Get over your fear of the dinosaurs! Shut your mouth! Open Your eyes and ears. Learn something!
Thanks to Jimmy and all of you who keep this site running by sharing your knowledge with the rest of us.
Just a little venting from the
11 House Probie
Well, now that all the complaining is done, (I hope!) I just want to thank you for a great method for getting through a tough door. I work at an industrial facility(Steel Mill) where almost every door was constructed out of heavy steel with 1X tubing as the frame of the door. The Irons are all but useless to us as we are more likely to break them on most doors here. I will be showing this video to my crew when I go on turn tomorrow, as an alternative method. THANK YOU AGAIN!!!