Lieutenant Brian Dalrymple from Richmond (VA) Fire Department sent in these photos that he uses for forcible entry training. Take a look at the door, determine how you’d force it, and click here to see what’s on the other side.
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I’ll say it first…I missed the inward swing cuz I wasnt looking. NO hinges, recessed, jamb out,duh for me. Buuuuttt…I did guess right on the double drop bar!
caught the drop bars and noted it was a rabbited steel jam in a masonry wall. So my thought was to grab the partner saw. But i did miss if it was inward or outward swinging door.
Nice to see some stuff on here from the river city Lt. Was this in 1’s first due?
Hey Lou Dalrymple!! Thanks for the brain teaser. I always look forward to my daily stop by ves.com.
I hope you’re well up there in Richmond.
I missread the double 4 bolt pattern as an indicator of verticle style barring.
*Warning Firefighter Humour Ahead*
Ah well, you guys missed the Islamic writing on the doors indicating the possibilty of the presence of explosives inside.
Always look at the hardware. A double door like this would have to have some serious reinforcing through pins top and bottom on the left hand side to make it substantial and not be susceptible to being just donkey kicked open. I hate to say assume, but it seems appropriate for FE to AssUME the worst!
I was predicting both the drop bars and also, like FitSsikS said, some sort of verticle slide rods similar to a half fox lock. I caught the the fact that it was inward opening but didnt catch on to the fact that bolt shearing wouldnt help in this situation. Notice making a triangle cut in the door and reaching in wont help if the bar is padded to the bracket. The saw plung is prob the way to go but notice that you have to plunge higher than the level of the bolts to actually get a good cut on the bar. I had suggested on an earlier post that any ‘door forcing’ submissions, only the outside of the door gets shown first this way it forces us to read the door before we get to see whats actually inside. I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT POST…. keep em’ commin’
Is that door #10 from The Price is Right?
Nothing can withstand a well placed donkey kick!
A good Donkey kick or a good pair of irons with a 6’9†knuckle dragger does the trick every time!!!! LOL
David,
This would actually be 5’s district, although it would be Rescue 1’s first due.
Hey Silver from the other RFD. What up!
Brian,
Send me an email at silv333@gmail.com to catch up.
I initially noticed it was inward swinging and I caught the top drop bar but I wasnt expecting the additional lower drop bar I thought it was some type of lock going into the slab. I realize that the drop bars could be locked but if they werent could you cut a “doggy door” and reach in and push the bar up.
Metal Door………Metal saw.
An “improved” doorway. Look for an easier way in. If none, we break it.
Try working a shove knife in and sliding it up. Double doors are relatively weak, a common way to reinforce is with drop bars. If they are secured all bets are off. I was expecting a kick bar going back to the floor. Without the bars, FF w/ a set of irons should open these doors.
Might try the portable jaws on bottom of the hinge side of the door with the lock. If you could get a purchase, hydraulics would make short work of this. Wouldn’t be much left to secure. Not a job for Rabbit tool.
Partner saw is the direct answer. Cut it. You’re going to throw a lot of sparks off those bars, maybe not the way to go at a fireworks factory.
Options are a good thing.
Yep I missed the inward swing. Bad me.
Thanks for the tip! I missed the bolts and the inward swing too! Keep the info coming!