Sacramento Metro Fire recently had a close call on the roof. They were working a commercial job, and had three brothers up on the roof when the roof started to collapse. The video shows the three seeking refuge on the parapet until some sticks are thrown to their rescue.
The contents of the store (a nail salon supply store) created a significant fuel load, and ended up being a three alarm fire. Fortunately, it ended up having a positive outcome for the crew of Truck 16.
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Good to hear a positive outcome, BUT. Two means of egress from the roof? I don’t see one ladder to the roof in that video until AFTER the collapse when they needed it. Always have at least two ways off!!!
What could you possible do up there? Why risk your life for some garbage taxpayer? That thing was cooking for a lot longer than they thought. Sounding a roof with a truss construction will yield no different sounds than one of a failing truss construction roof. WE ARE NUMBER 1!!!!!! Thankfully the Brothers are Ok.
Everyone has to remember on a paid department its only a crew of two maybe three a second means of egress is not always possible right away due to man power. And lets not look at the bad things they did and sit back and be critics. No one knows if an order was giving to vent the roof or if they felt they had to. Look at the positives, suck as they did sound the roof communtications did not break down and the speed at which ladders were placed. Look at it this way lesson learned.
Quick thinking firemen. I don’t know what the man power was at this stage of the fire but at most any fire we have if there is enough man power pretty much every ground ladder on the scene is set up. At a residential fire we try to get to as many windows as possible since you never know when conditions may take a turn for the worse and emergency egress in the form of a ladder slide may have to be done. Same could be done on a commercial structure like this. Not necessarily set up at such an angle for a ladder slide (more than likely the ladder wouldn’t be tall enough)but have a ladder or two on each side of the structure that could be gotten to quickly if need be. A RIT team or back up crew could be the ones doing this. It just may prevent them from having to come into play. Just a thought from my mind…keep up the good work everyone and keep the ideas flowing.
I count at least 4 master streams directed at the flat roof. Likely steel truss. That’s a lot of additional stress from water weight. Why put water where there is no fire? Or, if it had already self-vented, why put a crew up? I’m guessing that by this time the contents were a total loss already, there would be no interior operations, just surround-and-drown.
Dave, I also saw the master streams in operation but my guess is that was after the roof collapse. I saw the same thing you saw and then I noticed that where they were on the roof was pretty much gone already. My only guess is that they had master streams set up after the fact. But like Jon said that roof was so far gone that it shouldn’t have been vented and if those master streams were set up all along, then that just adds to the problem.
Hey Jon. “garbage taxpayer”? How about property owner that pays your salary? You should not be in this line of work if your so pissed off about duty
RJ have you ever had anyone of your friends killed and almost killed by a building that is ‘garbage’? STFU. Our job is to save lives and in the course of that action property. When it becomes us that needs to be saved the property is then worthless, we become the object of value. These buildings are made like garbage. Apparently you have NO TIME and understand ZERO about building construction. And if you really should go check out the tax rates in relation to how much goes to fire protection. If you think your life is worth that for an INSURED building thats made inferior you arent brave, you are just plain ignorant, and hopefully it won’t get you killed!
I apologize for the grammatical error.
The decision to get the roof is not necessarily a bad one at this fire. It clearly needs vertical ventilation if the building is to be saved. The problem seems to be one of size up on the roof. Assuming the initial ladder was to the uninvolved (Side C) area the crew either did not perform an inspection cut or did not correctly evaluate it.
If the inspection cut was evaluated it would have determined that the trusses were running B to D (quite apparent during collapse) and the type of web members (probably tubular pressed steel webs pinned to wood chords). While this roof can be cut (and was – bar joists would have had metal decking and this probably couldn’t be cut with chainsaws) the exposed tubular steel is prone to rapid failure if exposed to almost any fire (obviously).
Evaluating this would have indicated that interior operations were unsafe on side Alfa (at the least) and roof operations (if any) must be confined to the rear of the structure. A Bravo to Delta strip cut would have been very fast and effective, especially a drop cut. Coupled with 2.5†(50’ stream reach) lines through the A side doors this fire may have been controllable in a timely fashion. (The crews on the interior seem to be operating 1.75†handlines)
Even if the roof team immediately egresses the roof the information from the inspection cut was worth attaining. What if it had been conventional construction? After the collapse the rear trusses are still intact, there was room to safely evaluate the roof and gage conditions.
Just a thought.
Guys, first off that is Sac City fireman on the roof, second of all we were not there. It is so easy to armchair this fire by watching a video. I personally feel that these guys did a great job in recognizing the collapse otherwise they would not have made it. There are several reasons those guys were on the roof but of course that is not mentioned. There will be a report on this fire and when you read it you will see that the were not up there for no reason. I am glad they are ok otherwise I would have lost a good friend. Lets learn from that experience. Sac City has a good reputation they know there job WELL!! Im glad your safe!
I am glad the Brothers made it off the roof safely…Enough said! Thank God they are still here with us.
Hey Jon, I think you should go back to your building construction notes and tell us what a taxpayer is. (business below, residential above.) But, you really sound like you know what your talking about. I am sure if someone asked you how much experience you have, you would tell them.
It’s sad we have folks like Jon in this business. I don’t want him watching my back
It was actually a Sacramento City crew (not Sacramento Metro). Truck 10 was on the roof, and I’m told that there were guys inside as well. Everyone got out in one piece. I’ve had the pleasure of working with the crew of T10 on OT once or twice, and found them to be very dialed in. I hear an investigation is underway, and that some type of report will be coming out soon.
Fact. Sac City T10
Fact. Running short with 3.
Fact.First Truck onscene.
Fact.Hand lines moving into building A side.
Fact. Reports by bystanders of people inside.
Fact. Open-Web Wooden bar joist, plywood decking.With built up pitch running B side to D side.
Fact.Truss running A side to C side.
Fact. No fire through the roof.
Fact. No sticks flowing water.
Fact. Offensive
Fiction. You or I were there..
So the taxpayers I drive by at work that are 1 story buildings that were built to pay the tax’s on vacant property in the ghetto’s of NYC are not what you call Taxpayers? A building that is a commercial on the first floor and flats on the floors above is an occupied multiple dwelling. Maybe in Podunk where you work its different, but where I work thats what we call them.
Thats ridiculous there was no reason for them to be on that roof when you look at the aerial shot of it. It was stupid of the IC, their Officer and who ever told them to go to the roof.
Not to mention there looks like there was no 2nd means of egress. There are never enough ladders thrown mayne someone should take a page out of Boston’s book….
Handlines inside, reports of victims trapped, and no fire through the roof… Seems to me that they had every reason to be up there.
I believe the aerial shot you’re referring to shows the scene after after the event. I agree that more ladders would be a good thing.
Taxpayer – This is the fire service name for a small structure that has a business on the lower floor and a residence on the second floor. The residence may be presently used as an office, but it is still considered a “taxpayer” style of building. You will find these in older downtowns or neighborhoods. In some areas this might be the name given to any store with a residence connected but not necessarily two story.-Captainmica.com Sorry best definition i could find for now, I’ll check my building constuction and ifsta books at the barn tomorrow.
I think that it is pretty obvious that the arieal shot was taken after the collapse and the incident changed into a defensive operating mode. If there is reports of parties trapped and the brothers are inside with hand lines you absoutly need to vent, weather via the roof or other means. incidents like this should reminde us all that every action on the fireground should have a purpose and needs to fit into our risk vs. benefit assesment. Now i was not there but based upon what i know of the incident, possible parties trapped and brothers inside, vent the roof!
Who ever shared the facts. Thanks. I always wonder what the real situation is when you only get to see a small portion of the incident.
BTW- Many are calling strip malls taxpayers now because the concept of a taxpayer was not just the residence over the store. Some will build on a piece of property an inexpensive building to help pay the taxes. The land owner hopes that the plot will be bought at a later time for a higher price. Until then, he/she has a building that helps generate revenue. It is just another example of how terms get inter-changed around the country.
Lighten up brothers and have a beer; It’s all good, the brothers went home after that one.
We’ll get the report soon enough and those on the scene know best why they were doing what they were doing.
on a more important note, on videos like this, one thing that stands out to me is the roll call requests made by command of each of the companies. My career outfit has it in place but my volunteer outfit doesnt. Its pretty much ‘freelance city.’ Definitely not a good thing. But I have to say I dont think thats the norm throughout the country. From what I can see many depts have their %&*# together when it comes to accountability. And thats what I like to see. I guess its something our dept just hasnt grandfathered in like it probably should have. In a situation like this video, it must make command feel a little better that they can request rollcall and get a definite answer instead of a bunch of ‘Maybies’ and ‘im not sure’s.’
i think they did an excellent job. both in recognizing when things were headed down the wrong direction and improvising their escape with the half body hang from the roof ledge.
i will say it would have been nice to have at least one ground ladder or stick on each side. my armchair qb thought (if i were the senior man on the truck crew) at the point of “command to t10, take the roof”…
send two (including myself) to the roof. and the other to toss a ground ladder on each side of the building (2 or 4 depending if a strip mall or free standing) then join the fight up top?
again- good recognition and improvisation
Guys, we are not hear to critisize other companies, we are here to learn from one another and share useful information. I think we are all in agreement that there should be multiple ladders up for a means of egress when operating on the roof. I would have had a charged hoseline on the roof as well. Stay safe and train hard…
TC
I’M GLAD TO SEE THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID WHAT I WAS THINKING WHILE WATCHING. ANOTHER STUPID FIRE SERVICE MOVE THAT THOSE GUYS GOT AWAY WITH(THANKFULLY). P.S. EVAN I’M WITH A PAID DEPT AND WE ONLY HAVE FOUR GUYS. LACK OF MANPOWER IS A POOR EXCUSE FOR NOT DOING THINGS RIGHT!
Lets take something good from this and apply it. If you’re working on a roof of ANY type for ANY reason, you had better be paying very close attention to what you’re doing and watch out for ever-changing conditions as these guys obviously were. Quick action by the entire crew kept them from being the next LODD statistics. One second later and they wouldn’t have made it. GREAT JOB, guys!
DMAN: out of curiosity, what was the “stupid fire service move”? I’m assuming you’re talking about the lack of a nearby ladder, just want to make sure I’m understanding you correctly.
The typical reason for going to the roof during a fire such as the one in the video, exluding firefighters or civilians being trapped, is most likely vertical ventilation. That usual means making some form of an opening in the roof to allow heat, smoke and fire up and out of the building to improve the conditions inside. I hope everyone agrees with this, if nothing else. Hopefully we all agree that once we make any form of openings not designed into the building, we have compromised the stability of the stucture as well. If the fire makes that opening for us, is their any reason to continue making our way to, or, continuing to work on the roof? The radio transmission clearly states that the fire is through the roof, be careful up there. Forget about ladders and second means of egress for a minute, why commit brothers to the roof if the job is already done or being done for us by the fire? There certainly is large amounts of smoke, some of it even under pressure,visible so ventilation is definately occurring. Maybe this is coming from openings that these Firefighters had already made, but at what point do we say enough and get down? Just a few thoughts. I’m sure that the eventual report may answer all of our questions, but maybe these are a few things for ALL of us to think over until then.
jwcT10A…..that’s the best dang post I’ve read to date……and that’s a fact!
I’m going to have a beer with Mike!
FACT – Ladder trucks throw ladders.
Fact. You can clearly hear the I.C tell t10 to be cearful becauce “FIRE IS THROUGH THE ROOF.” They should have never been up there. But a great job on seeing the collapse and getting to safty.
WALTER,
LOOKED TO ME LIKE A DEFENSIVE OP. MULTIPLE MASTER STREAMS IN USE ON THE ROOF, ADDING TONS OF WEIGHT. WHY WERE THEY ON THE ROOF IS MY QUESTION. BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYONE ELSE..I WASN’T THERE.
Webb and WALTER.
Read my first post.
We can pick any job apart. Not enough ladders, no hose-lines, no SCBA mask on and I’m not talking about T-16 Sac.FD.. I think they did it right! As far as I can see they obviously were given a task and along the way one was sounding the roof, another watching him and the third was looking for murphy. It looks like they all heard the trusses fail at the same time. If you watch closely they all look left at the same time. Glad to see they were close to a wall; Bottom-line. Way to be alert T-16, Good job IC, Glad to see more than one ground ladder come to the rescue.
jwcT10A- Priceless; very good
Too bad most of you posting comments related to this incident have so much insight into what happened on this fire. I work for the department where this incident occurred. I personally am waiting for the facts before I decided to start making a lot of misinformed comments without knowing the whole story.
It’s too bad you folks can’t use this website to be productive and constructive instead of using it as a place to criticize others and make personal attacks directed at each other.
Several of you are a part of the reason the fire service is turning to shit!!!
Keep that in mind “brothers”!
WOW… Sac City deffinately should count their lucky stars. I think that we should all be thankful that it isn’t 3 more names to add to the wall.
Lessons learned:
1) Definately more ladders. Short handed? Well then you better C.Y.A.and throw them yourselves cause who knows what could happen.
2) No matter the conditions, pay attention at all times. Always have someone in the position of being able to see the whole picture and is not drawn into the work being done.
3) If RIT isn’t there, be proactive and provide yourself with your own means of rescue…see points above.
Glad to see the facts posted on here. Lets all learn from them, and not be so quick to dog kick those who almost lost their lives.
First of all the big ole ac unit that was real close to them would have had all the bells in the back of my ringing what the hell am I doing here with all that heat down below. And the interior units should have had that brought to their attention about roof mounted ac units before entry was made. Ride your districts use your eyes. Even though those might have been hard to see from the ground,the roof guys should of notified command as soon as they saw them and got the hell out of dodge. Stay safe….
Fact… firefighting is an ultrahazardous job… based on CALCULATED RISKS… i do not know all the facts… nor do i need to… those boys from the truck were doing there jobs, and there were people counting on them to get it done… they calculated the risks, and that is how they ended up there… they would not have been there if when they calculated the risk it was a negative… to all who have to say “What they should have done because they could’ve gotten hurt ” , perhaps you should consider getting another job.. like being a desk jockey …and writing about what those “crazy firmen” are up to… because after all need we forget what we all signed up for when we swore that oath.. it wasn’t to “surround and drowned” every fire we go to because fire is dangerous, again… firefighting is an ultrahazardous job… and if you don’t believe me… read what some desk jockey wrote on the label of any of your equipment… that is all
HEY JOE,
I’M SORRY YOUR DEFENSIVENESS IS CLOUDING YOUR JUDGEMENT. I DON’T SEE ANY OF THESE AS PERSONAL ATTACKS. THIS WEBSITE IS ABOUT LEARNING FROM OTHERS, GOOD OR BAD! FIREFIGHTING IS A THINKING GAME AND THE THE MORE YOU LEARN, ESPECIALLY FROM THINGS SUCH AS THIS WEBSITE, THE SAFER WE WILL ALL BE! A REAL “BROTHER” AS YOU PUT IT WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM ADMITTING MISTAKES(NOT SAYING THAT THERE WERE ANY), AND HOPE THAT THEIR EXPERIENCE WILL PREVENT ANOTHER STUPID, UNNECCESARY LODD. THAT IS WHY THE FIRE SERVICE IS GOING TO SHIT!!
calculated risk? if the fire was well thru the roof as command already advised then the roof is already compromised. if the roof is already compromised then none of us should be in there. if non of us were in there then non of us should be on the roof. hows that for calculation. but then again we dont have all the facts about what was really going on at the very moment. it is possible that crews were still in there agressively making their way out and the roof guys attempting to help that egress.
In reference to the taxpayer arguement above:
As described in the Firefighter’s handbook for firefighting and emergency response/2008 NFPA 1001 & 472, it states that: A taxpayer is FD slang for a building of ordinary construction derived from ” landlords that built buildings with shops and/or restaurants on the 1st floor with apartments above in order to maximize income to help pay property taxes” page 396, figure 13-17 of the building construction chapter. If you’re going to get on an international website and try to throw your weight around at people, if nothing else, know what your talking about. Jon, I’ve been in the city that you drive in on your way to work for 21 years, I just hope your passing through and going out to the suburbs and not to a firehouse.
Squad, when was the last time you heard on the radio that the fire was in a taxpayer when it was a 6 story OMD. Very few have apts above them if they are two stories, commercial rents in NYC are a lot more than residential.
And squad, you cant work in NYC if you are using a book calle dthe firefighters handbook, wtf is that?
Jon, if you are correct in your statement there would be no such thing as a two story taxpayer which would be news to me. Also know that there are more books out there than the ones from Fire-Tec! I suggest taking a lap, and grab a square bag for squadroof.
Just wanted to add my .02 yet again, stay safe brothers.
PS- FACT- “Never Trust a Truss” (Stolen quote from Chief Dunn)
I don’t have a lot of “book experience” persay but I have been doing this awhile and I know that I started as a dumbass and when I retire I’ll still be a dumbass.
Let me reflect on what I saw in this video. Please be aware this video gives me GREAT insight into decisions made at the split second, the building is burning, its hot outside, and adrenaline pumping moments….not.
Also be aware I am in Texas and have no clue what the difference is between Sacramento City and Sacramento Metro are. Or why West Coast firemen seem to wear those funny helmets? Then again I’ve never seen one up close, let alone worn one.
We don’t have taxpayers either…thanks for the insight.
I see 3 BROTHERS on the roof, then I see 3 BROTHERS that need help, then I see ladders carried by other BROTHERS brought to the trapped BROTHERS and the BROTHERS get off…SAFELY.
They’re wearing SCBA and their PPE properly, sounding the roof, and they stay together. Sounds like they’re probably a good crew.
Apparently there was a fire, firemen came, the fire went out, and all the firemen went home. Beyond that, that’s about all I know. Sounds pretty good to me.
So I don’t have any negativity to state here on the world wide web where EVERYONE makes 24 PERFECT structure fires in a 24 hour shift.
If I had critcism I’d call the guys on the roof…but wait…I wasn’t there so what do I know anyway?
BROTHERHOOD…means you take care of each other, you pick each other up, you congradulate each other in public, you chew each other out in private.
I’ll have to remember to post a video of a PERFECT structure fire as soon as I make one. However I’ll prolly have my helmet tilted at the wrong angle or park the truck two feet in the wrong direction. Sorry, guess it won’t be perfect for some of ya’ll.
You all are still my Brothers. Stop by my fire station anytime, I’ll feed you, talk fire, and shake hands…like Brothers.
Be safe.
Jon, he is referring to the Delmar text book Firefighter’s Handbook:Essentials of Firefighting and Emergency Response
http://www.amazon.com/Firefighters-Handbook-Essentials-Firefighting-Emergency/dp/1401835759
I don’t have it in front of me, but I believe Norman defines a taxpayer in the Fire Officers Handbook as the shop on bottom and residence on top.I’m looking at the Strategy of Firefighting by Vincent Dunn and he defines a taxpayer as “Another term for a strip mall.”
What’s that mean? It could be a strip mall or it could be a shop with a residence on top of it depending on who you ask and where you are. Stop bickering over it.
Jon, there just might be some of us here on this site from time to time that are part time Fire service instructors outside of the city. We teach firefighters from many different manuals, of which two of them both identify taxpayers in the same way. this entire post started with a few brothers found themselves in trouble, they’re ok and that’s what matters. As for the tangent we went off, enough said.
I’M GOING FOR ENCHILADAS FOR DINNER TONIGHT! (THAT’S TRUE…I’M TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT)
I’m glad our Brothers are safe. That’s all I’m going to say. Period.
564: you said it best.
Tax payers are generally classified into two catagories, “Old Style” and “New Style”. New style taxpayers are generally one story in height and are typically type 2 construction, while old style taxpayers are typically one or two stories and are ordinary construction (type 3). Any taxpayer more than two stories should be considered mixed use.
Taxpayer THIS!!!!! LOL,,, dam the term “tax payer†is just another BS term to sound cool, like the friggan term “Kâ€. If you use it use it be dam sure it’s right for god sakes!!! I don’t agree with some posts (I know shocking) first if you post on this or any other site on the wonderful world wide web you should be prepared for people to criticize you. I will tell you how I feel rather its right or not, and rather you want to hear it or not. If you get your feelings hurt man up and put your big boy boxers on, I will talk just as if we are sitting over a cup of coffee. Shorthanded is no excuse for not throwing a ladder for you and your crew’s safety. I am glad everyone came home but it (as many other posts) this should be an eye opener for people, I see way too much defending actions and beliefs on how they did a good job because no one got hurt.. HOW ABOUT NO!!! IT WAS NOT DONE RIGHT AND EVERYONE WAS LUCKY TO GO HOME ALIVE!!!! F%^K you guys are killing me now I need a drink!!!!
There are numerous flaws with the information provided here. This is a Sacramento CITY Truck Company, not Metro. Its Truck 10, not TRUCK 16 on the roof (the IC thought it was T-16 for some reason), they were running SHORT with only 3 members, not the usual 4, Truck 10 was the 1st due truck company and onscene very quickly. Fire WAS NOT threw the roof on arrival. Mutiple Engine Company members were operating INSIDE the building at the time. Not sure what other departments policies are but if our members are inside then we are up on the roof venting. If the roof’s unsafe and we cannot vent then nobody belongs inside and it goes defensive. Truck 10 threw a ground ladder on the “C” side (B/C) corner (which you cannot see from the video footage provided. Sacramento City Truck 16 (several minutes behind Truck 10) was in the process of throwing mulitple additional ground ladders when the roof collapsed. (Note the 3 ladders that were thrown in the video) quickly after the collapse. It only took 14 minutes from dispatch time to collapse. Shorthanded or fully staffed, you dont waste precious time throwing every ladder on your truck before getting on the roof to vent. Additional ladders are thrown by the next in companies or the RIC. This site wasnt developed to pick people apart or to tell people they are “doing it wrong”. I think everyone agrees that we ALL have the same mission, BUT we all go about accomplishing that mission differently. This site is about sharing ideas and learning so that we can all do the job a little better and safer. If you dont agree with something you read or see try and use some tact and be professional. Were all BROTHERS and everyone wants the samething, TO GO HOME at the end of the shift!!!!!!
I just want to add a few comments to this dicussion. I have read most of the posts above and I see a few comments about being short handed/under staffed. If that was the case, why would we allow crews to still do a job that requires that “missing” additional manpower to be done correctly and possibly safer in the first place? Don’t get me wrong, I understand completely the reasons for vertical ventilation, especially on a single story commercial building, but the fire will still be extinguished weather there’s a hole(s) in the roof or not, weather there are additional ground ladders placed or not, it doesn’t matter. Why couldn’t the EXISTING, USABLE manpower been put on additional hoselines to apply more water and end up with a faster knockdown? Greater and faster applications of water will just make the fire go out faster and possibly keep our under staffed crews out of danger. Again, don’t get me wrong about making aggressive, offensive attacks on structure fires. I’ll be the first one to get in on the action, and yes, the guys inside will have to take some punishment, but if you don’t have the manpower to cover all of the bases effectively, then you don’t have it. We don’t always need to be on the roof just ” because that’s what we’re supposed to do”. Unfortunately in today’s world of structural firefighting we have too many factors working against us and our safety. Sometimes we may have to drop some of the tactics that we normally do in order to keep ourselves alive. Hopefully no one takes offense to this and to the guys here that may have been directly involved with this incident, in no way am I criticizing your operations or your departments but just throwing out some thoughts to keep gears turning.
thank god they are all right and went home to thier family. LOCATION AND EXTENT AND SEVERITY OF FIRE …. AND MOST OF ALL BUILDING CONSTRUCTION ! THERE WILL PROBABLY BE A NEW ONE BUILT IN 6-10 MONTHS AND BUILT EVEN WORSE THAN THE FIRST . AGAIN GLAD TO SEE THEM SAFE . RISK VERSUS BENEFIT . BUILDINGS NOT WORTH IT.
After watching the video and reading some of the comments above, the only thing that I have to say is that the vertical ventilation had already been completed before the truck crew had been put on the roof. Am I wrong. Common sense guys, seems like some of us forget that every once in a while. It is great that they were not injured; however, they should have never been on that roof.
To the firefighters directly involved in this incident, my hats off to all of you for saving yourselves. I don’t see how anyone can form such strong opinions of what occured on this incident, from such a brief video clip. The shots of master streams being applied look to be later in the incident, after the crew had already bailed off the roof. The news media, as they always do, probably pieced together segments of video to make the footage more dramatic. As for more ladders being thrown, how many ladders are you going to spend time throwing, when you have people trapped inside of a 1 story structure. The action that is going to benefit the brothers on the inside and any victims is a PROPERLY PLACED vent hole. We do not see this scene from arrival of first units to the end. We are seeing a brief segment of the action. To question the tactics of this incident from a few seconds of video is insane. We don’t know what conditions were like before the crew got on the roof, nor do we know what they saw when they got up there. Why don’t we all just wait and read the report when it comes out. Congratulations to the brothers for being with us still. Save the arguing over terminology and tactical decisions for another blog. I know if I was one of the three guys who survived this, I sure wouldn’t expect to read some of the BS written here, about what happened to me.
To all the pu$$ie$ who think they shouldnt have been up there: have fun at your interior hose teams funerals and dont forget to appologize to the (reported) victims families. Also, that hole in the front of your SCBA mask serves onother purpose other than just allowing you to suck your thumb while watching others work.
To all the the guys with the 20/20 vision (hindsight that is): did you get that fancy eye surgery to have such great vison or does it just come natural cuz your such an astute observer of details from a short video clip. How did that roof feel from your recliner?
To all the people whoi watched, learned, and didnt make some retarded comment about how much shit went bad and what they would have done because they bleed pure salt: thanks from SFD.
All the pu$$ie$ and personnell with perfect vision may now return to your previous and comfortable fetal position.
That should do it
Right on Brother.
WOW! JC MUST BE A REAL MAN. MUST BE THE GET IT DONE AT ALL COST KIND OF GUY. I LIKE YOUR “YOU’RE A PU$$Y FOR THINKING SAFETY” ATTITUDE. DO ME A FAVOR AND KEEP DOING YOUR “REAL WORK” WHERE EVER YOU ARE, WHICH IS HOPEFULLY FAR FROM ME. BY THE WAY, WAS THAT BUILDING OR ANY PEOPLE SAVED? OH.
JC,that should do what? make some of us realize the only retarded comments are the ones you just posted, make some us think of you as some kind of an idiot. For some reason, I’m not quite feeling the brotherhood from you. People on this site do learn things or take some of the shared thoughts back to their firehouses and form their own opinions, weather you think some of the comments are negative criticism or not, I’m sure it helps some one, some how. Wait…. I have an idea. Why don’t you post the SFD’s version of how it would conduct operations at this type of an incident. Let’s see how others would criticize and comment on the way YOU and YOUR department would have handled it or responds to this type of call.
And by the way, just how did you learn that you could suck your thumb through your mask anyway? sounds like you may have had some time in the recliner if you came up with that comment.
Glad there were no brothers lost that day! I agree strongly with 564 in his comments I would’ve posted the same if I would’ve thought it first, but really great! Brothers Unite, use “some” constructive critisism but pick and choose your words carefully!!! STAY SAFE!!
Fellas….On a Truss roof. You have 20 Minutes, MAXIMUM, Before the roof fails, if its involved. The decision to send anyone to the roof is a bad one, with Trusses. Especially, with smoke and Fire coming through the roof. Work and Cut off an Aerial if Possible, or dont Bother. Once a Truss fails from heat the whole roof fails. As we could all clearly see.
Im so glad that you guys made it off the roof safe. And, in no way am I trying to place judgement on this video.
Props for the dept.’s that do post these for our learning experience. This type of media is invaluable training tool for the rest of us….I would hate to see ya’lls response to some of the operations where I work, as would you.
From the first in officer on this fire, the final investigation report is located on Sacramento Metropolitan’s web site. smfd.ca.gov